Carton Comet Seeker 60/710 Review
I have been interested in Carton telescopes for a long time, but this is my first opportunity to review one.
On casual inspection this may seem like any other 1970s or 1980s Japanese small refractor. It looks much like the 3” Tasco mum bought me in 1978. In fact, Carton made (or perhaps more accurately bought in) high quality optics and mechanicals, more in common with say Swift or Pentax than Tasco, albeit a rung down from Takahashi or Nikon.
This particular Carton was likely one of those models brought out to cash in on the return of Halley’s Comet in 1986. The comet was a squib, but we still have some nice scopes from that era, including the commemorative Tele Vue Renaissance I reviewed. Let’s see how this little Carton compares.
At A Glance
Carton Comet Seeker
About 7Kg incl. mount
Data from Me.
What’s in the Box?
Part of the Carton’s appeal for me was ... well, its carton. It came in the original one, complete with all its copious accessories, even down to the sealed lens cloth. Also in amongst all that polystyrene are things like a camera adapter and solar projection kit – a classic scope constructor toy!
Design and Build
The Carton has that style of just about all Japanese consumer scopes from the 1960s through the 1980s – it’s an intensely nostalgic look for Boomers and Gen Xers who grew up with one in the bedroom alongside Patrick Moore’s books, a poster of Mount Palomar and an Airfix Saturn V. Long white tube, Boxwood tripod, black enamelled mount – it’s all there.
The subtle difference between this and the average Tasco or Prinz or whatever (much as I love ‘em) is that almost everything on the Carton is of high quality and works as it should. However, don’t think this is Swift or Takahashi quality – it isn’t. Mechanically it is inferior to a Unitron (which had beautiful mounts and hardware) too, but not optically or functionally, as we will see.
The objective is a completely standard 60mm F12 (actually 710mm F.L.). It’s a foil spaced (not cemented) achromatic Fraunhofer doublet with single coatings.
Lenses like this were allegedly churned out by numerous backstreet opticians in and around Tokyo, but quality varied from dubious (Unitron and Tasco, amongst others) to downright outstanding (e.g. Swift). This one, as we will see, is in the middle – good, but not at Swift’s level.
Comet Seeker objective is a typical foil spaced Fraunhofer achromat.
The white enamelled tube is very typical for the period, but everything is metal, lens ring and dew shield included. The focuser attaches with screws, but the lens ring and shield thread on.
The focuser is one of the areas where Carton shows its roots as a ‘serious’ telescope maker. All made of metal, the focuser is a little stiff from dry grease, but it is smooth and accurate despite having loads of travel – no free play or backlash or image shift here. But like most scopes of the era, it’s 0.965”, so won’t easily take modern eyepieces and diagonals.
Focuser has enough travel for any eyepiece or straight-through viewing, is smooth and stable.
Mount is basic but solid, the controls smooth and accurate.
The mount is a typical small German equatorial. It has slow motion controls, but no way to fit a drive motor (the one on my period Tasco didn’t work anyway). It sits on a typical wooden tripod with an eyepiece tray. The tripod fully extended is good for viewing whilst sitting, not standing.
The mount doesn’t look quite like a Tasco, Prinz, Swift or any other from the period, so it’s doubtless Carton’s own. Some of the casting look a little rough to keep the cost down, but functionally it’s excellent. The slo-mo’ controls are well made and work smoothly, the mount and tripod are fully up to damping vibes at any magnification the scope can take (even a Swift can’t make that boast!). Even so, the whole rig is one-hand portable.
Carton’s light and slim OTA sits in a clamshell that works a bit like a Tak’s, but with a thumb screw and no quick release catch.
Period scopes like this always shipped with plenty of accessories, but this Carton really got the lot:
· Mount with slo-mo’ controls, tripod, eyepiece tray and tube ring
· A decent 6x30 finder with proper optics in a quick release dovetail
· Tube weight for balancing a camera
· Camera mount for tracking an SLR that fits into the finder dovetail (and an identical one on the clamshell)
· Solar projection screen kit, that again mounts into the finder dovetail (can’t use the finder for solar, right!)
· Quality prism diagonal with a twist lock that looks identical to a Takahashi
· Three M.H. eyepieces
· Lens cap with a stop-down aperture for solar
· Sun (dangerous – never use one of these!!) and Moon filters
· Logoed lens cloth
The Carton shipped with three nicely-made, branded 0.965” eyepieces. All three are sensible focal lengths (no 1000x magnification here, thankfully!) at 20mm, 12.5mm and 9mm. They are decent quality too, but Modified Huygenians are a basic two lens design (narrow field, poor performance off-axis) and have single coatings. Any multi-coated Orthoscopics will be a huge upgrade for someone looking to use a scope like this.
Eyepieces are of the very basic modified Huygenian (M.H./H.M.) design (diagram from the Carton manual).
Solar projection screen.
In Use – Daytime
The Swift Model 838 I reviewed – a 50mm F15 – performed like a semi-apochromat with minimal false colour. But here, increasing the aperture to 60mm and dropping the focal ration to F12 means it’s an achromat during the day. Low contrast views are sharp and good, but high contrast subjects reveal plenty of apple and blueberry hues.
In Use – Astrophotography
The camera mount offers the interesting possibility of taking long-exposure tracked photographs of star fields whilst using the scope for guiding.
You might not think of a scope like this for proper astrophotography, but this being Carton they actually made 0.965” camera adapters and an eyepiece projection device. The focuser is certainly solid enough to take a light SLR or a viewfinder camera like the Agfa shown. I didn’t have those accessories to try this out though.
Carton accessories for prime focus or eyepiece projection.
Camera mount allows the Comet Seeker to be used as a guider.
In Use – The Night Sky
General Observing Notes
Just in the course of testing it, I suspect the Comet Seeker has seen more of the night sky than during it’s previous 35 years. That’s a shame. But part of the problem are the standard eyepieces (see above). So for this review I mostly used my set of 0.965” Takahashi MC Orthos.
The mount’s slo-mo controls work accurately and free of backlash or play, if a little stiffly (due to dry old grease I expect). The mount damps vibes fine up to the ~100x the scope will realistically take.
Unlike some period scopes, everything works well, from the mount to the focuser. You could really use and enjoy the Comet Seeker.
Like any small refractor, cool down is super quick, just minutes from a warm house.
The star test is good, with near identical evenly illuminated rings either side of focus and a nice Airy disk and faint single ring in focus.
This is much better than the 60mm Unitron I tested. Whichever Japanese optical shops were making the lenses for Carton were clearly doing a better job than the ones Unitron used. It’s not just theoretical either. The Carton takes high powers on the Moon and planets much better than the Unitron. However, this Carton isn’t in the league of the little Swift Model 838 I used to own.
With a Takahashi 7mm MC Ortho’ giving 101x, the Moon is excellent – detailed and sharp, if a little dimmer than a modern multi-coated 60mm. And image breakdown does occur at lower powers than a really fine optic, like the Swift Model 838 had, so that my next power up – 142x with the 5mm MC Ortho’ – isn’t really usable.
At F12, the Carton does show a little false colour on the Moon, noticeable mainly in tinge of purple to highlights which reduces contrast.
Nonetheless, on a 13-day Moon, I enjoyed exploring Oceanus Procellarum: Aristarchus’ white stripes and Kepler with its splashy rays and weird Reiner Gamma.
Later in the lunation, a 22-day Moon with Albategnius on the terminator showed the Apennines in sharp detail, the dark patches in Alphonsus and the Hyginus rille; the slumped walls and peak of Tycho and crater arc of Clavius in the far south.
The Carton may have been designed for low-power comet sweeping, but its objective delivers high-power views that better most consumer scopes of the era, even if they fall a little short of, say, a Zeiss Telementor or that Swift.
Mars was the only planet easily accessible. At 22” just after opposition, viewed through a 0.965” Takahashi diagonal and a 7mm Tak’ MC Ortho eyepiece giving 101x, gave a crisp and low false-colour view with a hint of albedo markings. The accurate and shift-free focuser made finding perfect focus easy.
Despite its name, deep sky is not the Comet Seeker’s forte, because it’s a bit dim due to the single coated lens. This is an interesting lesson in the importance of multi coatings. The Carton is so much dimmer than my Takahashi 60mm scopes I even wondered if there was vignetting from the focuser tube. So I measured it, but nope – the exit pupil is spot on.
The manual shows a few DSOs to try – the Andromeda Galaxy (M31), the Great Nebula in Orion (M42), the Double Cluster and the Pleiades. So I followed its lead ...
The Pleiades and Hyades looked nicely sharp and sparkly at 28x through a Takahashi 25mm MC Ortho.
The Great Orion Nebula looked quite good too, at 28x, with the Trapezium nicely resolved and structure in the nebulosity with averted vision. I was surprised that the standard 20mm H.M. eyepiece was just as sharp on axis, though it distorted stars near the field stop.
I found the Double Cluster, but it did seem a bit dim and lacklustre compared with the view through a modern 60mm, likewise M31. The open clusters in Auriga, M35 through M38, were the same, requiring averted vision to fully resolve them, even with a Takahashi diagonal and eyepiece.
Albireo showed its colours well though and split nicely. At 142x with a 7mm ortho, at the very limits of what the Comet Seeker will take, I just about split one component of Epsilon Lyrae.
This little Carton was likely the budget end of their telescope offerings, a consumer kit to cash-in on the 1986 comet craze. Even so, it’s a cut above most similar looking Japanese scopes of the 1970s and 1980s, because it has optics and mechanicals that work properly. And yet it has the classic look that reminds me so nostalgically of the Tasco 3” refractor I bullied my mum into buying so long ago.
Optically, the Comet Seeker lies somewhere between that Tasco and a really fine achromat like a Swift. It is quite up to lunar and planetary views of 100x and gives very good views, but it can’t take insanely high powers for its aperture the way the very best (Swift, Zeiss etc) can, probably due to a few cut corners in final polishing (the basic objective figure is excellent). It’s good enough to benefit from better eyepieces than the modified Huygenians in the box. Any quality 0.965” ortho’s would do – say Vixen’s if you don’t want to spend (or can’t find) Takahashi’s.
The Carton is totally usable today. If you like the Moon and planets, it would make a great quick look scope with a nostalgic twist. The Carton’s classic looks and quality build should be good for persuading your significant other to allow it a place in the corner of the drawing room for a touch of retro astro-class at modest expense.
Don’t buy a scope like this one for quick looks at the deep sky though: it’s single coated lens and lack of available wide field eyepieces count against it.
For an inexpensive quick look retro’-scope, with better real-world performance than a Tasco (or even the Unitron I reviewed), the Carton looks the part and works well for the Moon and planets. Not, however, for deep sky (ironically) due to its single coated objective.